By now the news of the unfortunate injustice associated with Trayvon Martin has infiltrated the globe thanks in large part to social media. There has been an outpouring of outrage demanding justice for the 17-year-old's family. We have all seen videos, posts, statuses, recordings, photos, and even people sporting hoodies all to try to send a message.
When I first heard the story I was appalled...I figured there must be some mistake. How could this man's actions be justified? How could following this young man and holding a gun to his head while he was completely defenseless be construed as self defense?
After I listened to the 911 recordings, the girlfriend's cell phone account, and read through some of the other details of the story, I was even more shocked. I learned Trayvon was an A/B student, played football for his high school and was generally loved by all. As I read on, I couldn't help shake the feeling that something like this could really happen anywhere, even here in Summit, NJ.
The story was eating at me so I started to post links, information, sign petitions and whatever else I could do from my computer. I also was making a point to comment on other people's posts and statuses on the topic and I started noticing that most of the people who were so outraged by this story, were black.
I remember in high school watching videos from various Civil Rights marches and demonstrations back in the 60's and wondering to myself why were there so few people of other races marching too?
And I wonder today, why are there so few people of other races outraged about Trayvon Martin? I've actually seen numerous comments about the incident listing every excuse from what he was wearing, to the corrupt police department, to the "stand your ground" version of the legislation in question.
But in reality...the only thing George Zimmerman knew about Trayvon, was that he was black...and with that information, he made the decision to ignore his pleas for mercy and pull the trigger.
I am outraged as a mother, an American and a Human...the fact that I'm also white never even seemed relevant when I started posting and researching other similar cases, and yes, there are other similar cases. In fact, did you know there are modern day lynchings taking place and being passed off as suicides?
We know fear plus ignorance equals hate...and we seem to be completely surrounded by uncertainties that cause fear these days, so the only way to avoid the perpetuation of more hate is through education. People, ALL PEOPLE, need to wake up and realize that these hate crimes are taking place and rarely make the mainstream media. This means there is a clear social responsibility to speak up and speak out.
But who's responsibility is it? As parents, brothers, sisters, students, teachers, and Americans, isn't it every one's? So here's the call to action. I inserted the link to the petition below...but the real call to action is awareness and it's really not just about Trayvon.
Put down the Groupon and Google some articles. Turn off American Idol and talk to people...doing something is better than nothing...doing nothing says so much.
As the world around us changes, and I think it's clear to see that it is, we need to look at some serious issues. The unknowns politically, economically, the angst surrounding sexism, racism and other isms, and of course the global unrest. How are we as individuals dealing and coping with the fear and stress that comes with turmoil? I will dig in next post to how Summit as a community can hedge against whatever is to come. Comments and thoughts are always welcomed.
LG
Petition - http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin
Girlfriend's account of events leading up to the shooting - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/trayvon-martin-final-moments_n_1366697.html
Modern Day Lynchings documentary - http://www.tvfirstlook.com/2012/02/review-injustice-files-at-end-of-rope.html
Reggie Bradley
2:17 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Absolutely awesome...this is a great piece...keep up the fight Sis ...your brother in arms,R.Bradley.
Josh Troy
3:06 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Very well done! You should be proud! This is a problem all of us as a society face! We cannot live in a box! I am white and I also recognize not having Trayvon Martin and many others like him around hurts us socially and we miss his contributions in the workplace as well!
susie
10:53 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Is it possible to wait until all of the facts are in?
John Lee
11:55 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
what facts are missing?
David
1:36 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Who are we to judge this case? We do not have any evidence, just what the media shows us. If the State has evidence suggesting that the shooting was not in self defense, and they can make a case of such, they will arrest Zimmerman and bring him to trial. Zimmerman has the Constitutional right to Due Process, and your judgements of him are a violation of that.
Badkornflake
11:20 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Ok John, what facts are missing? Lets assume they are all in. Then why has the police, federal government, and special prosecutor yet to charge Zimmerman? Zimmerman was at fault over and over for following Martin (I use Martin because Mom wants to trademark Trayvon) a neighborhood watch persons job is to observe an report, not stalk and confront. But, Martin was at fault for attacking Zimmerman while Zimmerman was on his way back to his car. Why didn't Martin call the police instead of his girlfriend? From what I have truly seen both where at fault of this unnecessary tragedy
Harold Aris
2:09 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Excellent article.... Here in America, I have been stereotyped since I was in elementary school. I can't count the times that I have been stopped and asked "what am I doing in this neighborhood". Growing up in Brooklyn and living in Park Slope being raised by a White Hispanic man, I myself was shocked at the stereotypical things he would say about Black youths. But because he knew me I got a pass or was not considered like the rest of them.What can one tell about the fabric of a person's heart or his character by the way they dress. Not too much... in a suit or in jeans and a hat its still hard to catch a cab in the city. If you really want to see how society thinks read the editorial comments of major newspapers and you can see the disconnect. Black or White we don't want our children harassed, type cast or killed. Especially by civilians acting as vigilantes.
LB
4:49 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I just happened to stumble across this post. First, let me thank you for the article and bringing to the forefront a larger unspoken problem. It’s often easy for people to sit home and do nothing about those isms (as you so eloquently put it) but when people are willing to take a stance and take action, that’s when change can happen.
I look forward to your next post.
Monk
8:35 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Wow! This is article is disgusting. It is one of the most knee jerk pieces I've ever read! It takes months or years to properly investigate and prosecute crimes ... unless you'd rather convict someone in the court of public opinion.
John Lee
11:56 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
it may take months to fully investigate a crime but it takes seconds to execute children of color.
David
1:48 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
If someone of any color attacked me, I'd shoot him too. I don't care what color you are. All I care about is my life. If you threaten to take my life I will sure as hell take yours first. So yeah. If a black person attacks me, it will take less than seconds for me to draw my Kimber and blow his ass away. Same goes for ANYONE. Race is irrelevant.
SpiritChild
10:45 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Lori, we sit merely in the dawn of an age of darkness- just the beginning of an extremely dark era in our social psyche. Thank you for the call to wake up, stay aware, and be part of the change.
John Lee
12:00 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Thank you Lori, my usually preppy and proper genuflecting Episcopalian self will be wearing a black hoodie, with hood up, for every service during Holy Week. Its a small expression but I am sure I will stand out and become a topic of conversation, and by default so will Trayvon.
Monk
1:51 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
That's great, John! Per Wikipedia: [T]he hoodie's element of instant anonymity, provided by the accessible hood, appeal[s] to those with criminal intent.
Lori Golden
5:45 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
John you rock!
John Lee
5:45 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
seriously Tom? (if that's your real name) Halloween masks, football helments, pantyhose, also provide anonmymity, so perhaps Angelina Joile knocked over a convenience store in Van Nuys after showing leg at the Oscars.
Joanne Smythe
9:56 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
John, will you also wear gold-plated teeth, burglary tools, drug paraphernalia, and stolen jewelry?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html
John Lee
10:02 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
so Joanne, are you suggesting that shooting black men is okay because someone on the internet will claim, weeks later, that the person had a past?
Lori Golden
2:25 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I suppose it would be easier and more comfortable to blame attire than to have to consider and possibly accept that there is a tremendous amount of ignorance and hate in our world. We're losing our humanity...all colors.
Barney Oldfield
3:45 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I am over forty years old and have been wearing hooded sweatshirts for at least thirty of those years. Now I learn that "the hoodie" appeals to the criminal element according to that infallible source...Wikipedia. Appeal to the criminal element? So does carrying a handgun like the idiot nutjob vigilante who killed this kid. You arm yourself, then chase down an unarmed kid, shoot him and claim self-defense? You deserve everything you get.
Lori Golden
5:40 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Well said
Monk
5:22 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Well, I guess if everyone has made up their minds, let's sentence Mr. Zimmerman to life in prison straight away!
John Lee
5:47 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I like the idea of Zimmerman being free. In prison he'll have guards, at home he doesn't, and he never knows if the next breath will be his last as most of the nation has shown their disdain for his hatred of African American youth, for the last month, and as long as he is still free, George Zimmerman will have an idea of the fear that Trayvon felt before Zimmerman decided to cleanse the neighborhood.
Lori Golden
5:30 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Why don't we start with arresting him first...hard to talk about a sentence while he sleeps cozily in his own bed.
Wally Westfield
5:40 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
and then there is this
Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”
John Lee
5:49 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
the country is already divided by white and everyone else; if it were not so we would not hear phrases like "those people", "their God", and "don't belong here" in countless discussions of race, religion, and immigration.
Lori Golden
5:43 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
That may be the case...but if there were not already a problem there would be nothing to exploit. The spin doctors and their pesky fallacious points...
Monk
6:19 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Racism is a lot like a broken leg. You can choose to fully recover with physical therapy or limp around and demand sympathy and accommodations (read entitlements, retributions, etc.). The Al Sharptons and Chuck Schumers (and some posters here) seem to prefer the "keep the black community crippled and we'll leverage it" choice.
John Lee
6:34 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
where is there any mention of entitlements (read social social security, medicare, mortgage tax deductions) or accomodations (read curb cuts, braille, kneeling busses) anywhere in this thread?
Ed
7:25 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Seems to me after todays news, this young man was a problem child. Let's let the American Justice system run the coarse. If you don't like our system....... "LEAVE"
John Lee
8:17 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
guy doesn't like blacks walking down the street, chases and guns down said black, what's to like about that?
or are you suggesting that anyone who is not perfect should be exterminated? so far I have not heard any troubling news about the child that sounds like anything out of the ordinary for most suburban kids
John Lee
8:21 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
whoopsie - looks like George Zimmerman has an arrest record and his Daddy who just happens to be a judge fixed that stuff .... hmmmm, cutting school vs being arrested, guess a different set of standards are being thrust upon the child of colour.
Lori Golden
8:37 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
There always has been a different set of standards for young black men...if we're being really honest with ourselves...and I wonder how that kind of ostracism affects things like self esteem and confidence over time.
Monk
8:58 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I work with an intelligent young black guy who took it upon himself to bring up his race for no reason. So, OK, he's self-conscious. He says he doesn't feel comfortable at the Short Hills Mall. I say, "Neither do I." So, what?
If someone wants to stay stuck in a self-defeating self-image, that's their business. But to jump to conclusions over, extrapolate on and nationalize every interracial incident perpetuates racism more than the incident itself.
Joanne Smythe
9:49 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Quite an embarrassing, one-sided article. The media have really misinformed and whipped up a frenzy with this one.
John Lee
10:04 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
what did the media whip up? Zimmerman didn't want black men in his neighborhood so he tracked one down and executed him
Lori Golden
10:24 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Of course its one sided its a blog not a journalistic piece. And clearly it has served its purpose as it has planted several seeds and initiated conversation on a topic that people typically avoid. Whether people find it disgusting...embarrassing or inspirational is not the primary concern.
Monk
10:39 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Ms. Golden, no one is avoiding the topic of racism. No one CAN avoid the topic of racism when it is applied by the left at every opportunity. It really is sad to see the opportunists leaping on this story to promote their own stories.
Lori Golden
11:02 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Whether or not the story is being exploited to further political agendas doesn't make the way the case has been handled acceptable.
The Mayans were right
10:38 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Obama 2012 campaign hoodies...http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/obama-campaign-hoodies-sale-cancelled-controversy-183726871.html
RC
2:48 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sfl-prosecutor-sanford-police-sought-to-charge-zimmerman-20120327,0,5991068.story
John Lee
6:46 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Interesting, a link from Fox Tampa asserting that "Martin attacked Zimmerman" but the video that was just released indicated otherwise. Wasn't Fox bloviating about a gash to the back of Zimmerman's head?
Concerned
9:20 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Tom, I am a conservative. I Grew up and live in Summit. I raised my children in Summit. My Son is black and just an awesome person. During high school I feared for him as the police harassed him often. I am serious and not making anything up. I know in my heart what happened in Florida to this young man. He was being followed and was fearful as anyone would be. He has been afraid before by harassment and racial comments when he was in places "he did not belong". He was afraid and frustrated and just fed up. The guy following him was not a policeman, he could of been anyone. The young man when accosted by this man Zimmerman, probably defended himself and he was shot by this self appointed police wanna be. My son was always profiled in Summit. I finally went to the police station and demanded it stop. I am a successful white man and I was able to stop it. Not every black young man has that chance to stop the profiling. Now ask a young black man to drive through Summit, New Providence, Berkeley Heights and Chatham. Then ask a young white man to do the same. Then count the number of times the black young man is stopped by police vs the young white man. I already know the answer because I have a young white man for a son and a young black man as a son. In closing this young black boy in Florida was profiled and he defended himself because his freedoms were being violated by another citizen without any authority to question him and he got shot and killed by Zimmerman.
Monk
1:05 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Please don't misunderstand, Concerned. My main complaint is with the "leadership" that keeps many blacks poorly educated and dependent upon the government — a recipe for self-loathing and acting out. Maybe some people think it's a "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" situation, but I don't believe that racial discrimination against blacks necessarily prevents their advancement. And racial discrimination doesn't have nearly the paralyzing effect that the adoption of the victimhood culture has.
I still say it's inappropriate and inflamatory to cast judgments on this case from afar. If you were investigating the case firsthand, I would feel differently about that.
sp resident
9:36 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
While the investigation is continuing, there is enough evidence to show by the phone call Zimmerman made that reflects his bias intentions ,and vigilante attitude to the young suspicious black male. Common people this story is not just about the evidence but the minds of people when it comes to black males. Black males are continuously having to prove themselves not to be suspicious when the white males just keep committing crimes unnoticed, because no one really thinks they look suspicious. I don't believe that he would have gunned down a white male. White people in America is always saying, everything is not about race, but as an outsider I have definitely seen different, instead of black people proving themselves it's time whites start proving themselves .If Zimmerman was black and shot a white teen it would not have been about finding evidence ok, so don't try to sugar coat it, the authorities would have arrested him immediately, no investigation , no stand your ground b.s! . Zimmerman should have listened to the cops and wait for them to do their job, go inside his house and wait, but he did not, so you tell me that's not enough evidence, the phone call is enough evidence! He followed the kid and now he will pay the consequences. I don't believe he will even be charged, just like the thousand of cops who walk free after shooting black males.
Lori Golden
9:47 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Concerned...yes I grew up in summit as well...had many black friends (cause I select them based on who they are as people rather than the color of their skin suits) and I watched first hand everyday a difference in treatment. From the teachers to the police to the other students and parents. Now I am raising interracial kids in summit and it's like deja vu. Thank you for your comment...if people like you and I keep our mouths shut...people in summit will go on completely unaware that there's a problem. But discussion brings awareness and awareness brings change...so thank you to everyone for the wonderful participation. I'm thinking I need to write a piece on what it's like to grow up in a town like summit as a minority. That's if I can find anyone willing to speak up.
Concerned
9:59 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I would be happy to speak to you on such an article. I vividly recall attending Mass at Christmas with my family. My son, who is black, leaned towards me and said "there is the Summit Policeman who stops me all the time and always says"I am going to get you someday". Well the policeman was two pews in front of us, and at the point in the Mass when we give the sign of peace he turned and made eye contact with my Son. If you could of seen his face to see my Son with his loving family. Well never an apology, but the harassment stopped. The good Lord has his ways. My Son was fortunate, but that is not always the case. I spend a lot of time speaking with my Son to heighten his awareness of the dangers for a Black man, as he is today, due to profiling and how to never allow the narrow minds of others define who you are. Channel the justifiable frustration and anger into forgiveness and excellence as a person.
JERSEY GIRL
12:50 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Unless you are a minority, you just dont realize how differently you are treated. Try driving through a town like Garwood, and notice the race of the cars that are pulled over by the Police. Zimmerman was half hispanic, fact we are not hearing about. So what if Trayvon wasnt a model student, does he deserve to be shot just for walking down the street, "while black"?
The police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow. he did anyway. What person would allow some stranger to follow him down the street and not defend themselves? Its crazy to think that Zimmerman didnt instigate this event, he has to pay the price. He took the law into his own hands. Bottom line, its not right and he has to be arrested.
Jimmy
1:42 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Concerned, Thank you for your comments. I wish more people would speak openly about this. Many people say they're not racists but expect others to be treated this way and don't realize it's racism. I grew up next to Summit and it is a sad but true statement about the profiling among police, teachers, and neighbors. All you can do is take one day at a time and not listen to those who can't see the huge issue in front of their face.
Lori Golden
1:51 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
That would be great...the more comments I read here the more I realize there is just a lack of awareness so let's see what we can do about that so the next generations of kids in this town and surrounding can have a different experience.
Camilo H. Smith
12:33 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Thanks for sharing this story. I'd like to know more about any allegations of harassment.
SPmom
1:10 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
i am italian. i get pulled over in westfield for not being white enough, i have been pulled over in plainfield for being white, thinking i am there to score drugs. racial profiling is out there. even for white people. i agree with jersey girl, he was told to not follow. he made the wrong decison and killed a young boy. I hope we get more facts soon, bc its a sad day in the world if someone got shot bc they were "walking while black"
Camilo H. Smith
12:28 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Interesting point about profiling, SPmom.
RC
1:17 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
John Lee
6:46 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Interesting, a link from Fox Tampa asserting that "Martin attacked Zimmerman" but the video that was just released indicated otherwise. Wasn't Fox bloviating about a gash to the back of Zimmerman's head?
RC
8:19 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Yeh John---all the news programs showed the Video--But NONE Mentioned that it was shot about 4 HOURS After the Incident too---Zimm. had time to get Medcal Treatment and change clothes!!
John Lee
10:24 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Time stamps indicate that it was about 45 minutes afterward. And George Zimmerman's story has changed again. This having the potential of being his fourth arrest perhaps he's getting his other activities confused with this one.
RC
1:19 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Would YOU Step forword if you were a Witness to the Incident and Now Claim Zimmeran was attacked First--Probably NOT!!
Jimmy
1:45 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I agree. I'd still support the victim if he attacked Zimmerman. If I was walking through my neighborhood and a man was following me in a car and then gets out and starts chasing me, I would have responded the same way. I would have tried to defend myself and if I found a gun on him (Zimmerman) I would probably try to take it. That's called self-defense. Zimmerman needs to be behind bars while the facts come to light, just like any black person would be behind bars if they had done the same thing. Then judge and jury can decide through our system in place whether he is guilty or not.
RC
3:38 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Jimmy---It`s the Florida Law that allows him to stay out of jail! Not your opinion!! Think you should take a minute and REREAD the whole Facts First!!
anothermadisonmom
4:17 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Thank you Concerned. I too have had similiar experiences regarding my son. My son was once followed by a new police officer in town as he walked from work at midnight. After receving a text I went to pick him up as he was nervous. The police office stopped us as we went int he house to make sure I was ok? What else about that situation could have made the office nervous?
As well, getting off the train in Madison in mid august, a young college student with two huge duffles didn't realize he couldn't get a cab at such a late hour. We tried to reach Drew to give him a ride. No luck. So, he and his things went in to my car and off we went. The local police office advised against me giving him a ride. The local police office would not give him a ride. Turns out he was a scholarship athlete who was coming in early. Complete gentlemen. And a black guy in a hoodie. I would hope the same kindness extended to my son.
Awareness and education--key
Lori Golden
6:41 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Thanks Madison Mom. I think there are so many of these stories that we learn over time to just swallow and keep to ourselves...it just beomes "the way things are" in the affluent suburbs. But I'm saying enough is enough! I have 4 kids in 3 different schools here in Summit and this is for them! Would you mind if I shared these stories in my next blog?
Patcharino
11:58 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I got tired of reading all the people commenting here when we don't really know all the facts. I've been around a long time and I've seen way to many initial reports that come out way differently in the end. That said, even I with the PhD in skepticism thought that Zimmerman was probably guilty as heck. Then more and more "facts" came out and the story is less obvious. And why did some news reports call Zimmerman a "white hispanic"? Simply "hispanic" isn't good enough? Why isn't more of a daily big deal made every day when more than 80% of blacks are killed by another black person? Oh that's right ... it's called more of an everyday occurance and not news. News is different stuff. Look, let's cool our jets, pray for the family, let the police collect all the evidence and proceed in the correct direction when they have an adequate case. I hope that's not too much to ask. BTW, I agree that just because you have a hood on in the dark it doesn't mean that you are up to no good. It just make you APPEAR that you are trying to look cooler and a little more sinister, that's all. To be a victim you don't have to be minding your own business in the dark of night appearing secretive. You can be sitting in a public park bench chilling out in daylight when some sick youths kill you for the fun of it. Hmmm, sounds like what happened in Summit last summer, no? And just out of curiousity, what was the racial makeup of the accused and victim? Just wondering out loud.
Monk
6:35 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Actually, from the Bureau of Justice statistics, '[f]rom 1976 to 2005 -- 86% of white victims were killed by whites and 94% of black victims were killed by blacks. If white liberals and black "leaders" are focused on only 6% of black homicide victims and seem to care less about the 94%, isn't that the greater injustice?
sp resident
6:47 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Tom , stop man with the comparison about black people and their lives are more of an injustice with the cycle of poverty etc.,and blacks killing blacks ,do you have a problem with black people? I don't think they need to be grateful that getting killed is much better than their lives .Stick to the story, it's about a young unarmed male constantly being the target for being black. You people always have to justify why black people should not be complainting about the injustices, stay out of their business. If you want to really do something, tell yourself and your family and friends to stop thinking about black people as only government and welfare dependent people, whites also do the same,ok. If you want to look at the scums it's the leaders of your great nation, they may not take a hand out, but they are covered in corruption and greed, so say something about that.
Concerned
11:55 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
How can a blog on the murder of a young man become a conservative vs liberal rant? I am a conservative and find this illogical thinking. Every liberal and conservative care deeply that all murders be stopped. How we get there is our differences. Mayor Bloomberg feels its through strict gun control and In a major city he is correct. Heck Wyatt Earp used gun controls in tombstone back when.
This poor young man was gunned down. He was unarmed. If out of fear he took the first punch at Zimmerman I for one can understand why he would feel compelled to do so. How Zimmerman did not just pull his gun and hold Trevor at bay until police arrived is the issue. He could of shot the gun in the air and that certainly would of stopped Trevor from what ever actions he was taking. But no he shot him in the chest killing him. Not the leg the chest. Zimmerman hopefully will be arrested and a full investigation completed and put in prison for a long long time. He will make interesting friends in prison.
Lori Golden
1:23 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I am also politically conservative...which never had any bearing on how I feel about the matter. I encourage people to form their own opinion...don't just flip on Fox or CNN and adopt the pre-fab popular one. In fact if we removed all the political banter...we could have a much different conversation.
20 year Summit Resident
11:00 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Lori, whatever you call yourself politically I frankly do not care. Your article is an emotion laden, jaw-dropping trampling of due process. You link to a petition about prosecuting Zimmerman? I guess you believe that this is how we now try and convict people in the United States, by opinion polls and petitions? How utterly irresponsible you are to perpetuate this sickening lynch mob mentality. This puts you in the same camp as that disgusting race baiter and race hustler Al Sharpton.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/30/Sharpton-Civil-Disobedience
Why do many not care as much about this as you say? Because it is faux outrage by people with an agenda, generally liberals and those that find racism behind every rock and tree. The real story is that most murders are black on black, white on white and hispanic on hispanic. That is the real tragedy. The FBI posts these statistics...something that should have been reported in your article for context had you used your head and not your heart.
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_06.html
More in next Reply Comment....
20 year Summit Resident
11:01 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Continuing from prior Comment....
Along with the desire of most Americans to let our justice system work at its own pace, more and more of us do not trust ANYTHING the mainstream media tell us...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-to-do-internal-investigation-on-zimmerman-segment/2012/03/31/gIQAc4HhnS_blog.html
You should be ashamed of your Summit Patch role in this media lynching of George Zimmerman.
John Lee
9:23 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Each day more and more information about George Zimmerman comes out, and each day we learn that his story seems to be crafted from cotton candy, and members of the Sanford Police department were active participants in covering Zimmerman's mess.
Monk
11:52 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
I found these apparently timeless descriptions of race baiting black leaders and self-serving public figures:
Quote by: Booker T. Washington (1856-1915) African American political leader, educator and author
Source: My Larger Education, Being Chapters from My Experience (1911)
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."
"I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public."
Concerned
2:07 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Tom,
These are not timeless descriptions of anything. This was written while Blacks were unable to sit in the front of a bus down south and bathrooms were segregated. The KKK was lynching black men and killing people who tried to register blacks to vote. To quote Mr Booker here is outrageous, and ill informed.
Monk
3:15 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
I still say that as long as the black community chooses to follow a path of separatism with a culture of victimhood, educational failure and self loathing, they won't get too many breaks or opportunities. Perpetually dwelling on one's low status is no way to turn one's life around. When is the black community going to reject this self-defeating form of separatism? This community as a whole could pull itself up by its own bootstraps, if it followed the right leaders, but it doesn't.
That Booker T. Washington in 1911 described what Al Sharpton is doing more than a century later seems pretty timeless to me.
John Lee
9:24 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Everytime I turn on the tee vee machine I see people like Michele Bachman, Rick Santorum, and those folks who parade around in Founding Father costumes hooting and hollaring about how they are victims.
Concerned
2:07 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
20 year, the fact is that the police in Florida were not investigating the murder of the young man and it was the outrage by people that forced them to reconsider the case. Lori's blog was one of hundreds and hundreds across the web that called attention to this. If it was not for the cries for a proper investigation and justice to be applied, Zimmerman would not be held accountable. Thank goodness for folks like Lori.
20 year Summit Resident
6:21 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, you seem to know a lot about this case. I really don't know anything because I wasn't there.
Please tell me what specifically outraged you and why you contend that there was no police investigation. Please provide some links.
Then help me understand how the race hustlers like Sharpton, Toure, Bobby Rush, Maxine Waters, Corinne Brown are justified in trying and convicting this man in the press.
Your statement sounds so innocent but the fact is that physical harm has been threatened against George Zimmerman by the Black Panthers and God only knows who else. Then you have idiots like Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr who think it's constructive to tweet the address of Zimmerman or his parents.
If there was a race in America that one would expect to be completely and absolutely intolerant of prosecution by mob rule and lynchings I would think it would be the Black community. Instead the Sharptons of the world are enabled by people with a media platform like Ms. Lori Golden who substiitute feelings for facts and further inflame the situation with their writing.
Camilo H. Smith
6:32 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Thanks for all the discussion folks. If ANYONE would like to start a blog with opinions contrary to the one expressed in this one, please do not hesitate to email me (camilo.smith@patch.com) and I will set you up. Additionally, I can also publish letters to the editor with you opinions about current and local issues.
This blog appears under a section of Patch called "Local Voices" for a reason. It's for people to express their opinions about the news and other things they are passionate about in their lives. The comments here are engaging and most are very thought provoking. For those who think this is a factual "news article" you are mistaken. It's the opinion of someone who chose to share her thoughts with the public via her own blog. All are invited to do so as well, the more diversity of opinion the better, I say.
Keep commenting, and if you're a Union County or Summit resident who needs more space to express your thoughts — like a bigger platform, please send your Letters to the Editor, or inquire about starting your own blog here on Patch.
Keep the discussion going.
Thank you.
John Lee
9:26 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Kudos Camilo ~ Patch rocks!
Concerned
7:11 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
20 years, I am not going to provide you with research that you should have done on your own before spilling you uninformed bias in your comments.
20 year Summit Resident
9:39 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, Isn't it wonderful to spout your views without convenient facts to support them? Your intellectual laziness in the form of your non-reply tells me all I need to know about how you form your opinion about something....No sources, rumor, innuendo and drive by media gullibility. You have a link in this blog chain (RC at 2:48am on March 28th) that very clearly states that there was an ongoing investigation. You were either too lazy to cite this link once I asked or too biased (or informed?) to believe it. One must then assume that you are so informed that you know something the rest of us don't....and you can't or won't say what it is. Pitiful.
The videos I've seen showed Zimmerman in handcuffs so there was at least a presumption by the police that he had done something wrong which was later overwhelmed by physical evidence. As an investigation progresses they certainly have the ability to arrest him if the facts dictate that action. However, rather than applying the presumption of innocence....a bedrock principle of he United States criminal justice system...you have decided the case and convicted the man when you know absolutely nothing about what happened.
I'lll bet you signed the despicable petition to prosecute him too. Did you?
May you someday in the future face the same kind of sham justice and due process that you yourself now promote. Absolutely shameful.
20 year Summit Resident
9:40 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned,
....and I'm still waiting for Ms. Golden's reply to my post. She was certainly an active commenter early on with Mr. Lee when rumors and innuendo were on her side.
Concerned
9:27 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
John Lee,
Well said!
Concerned
9:56 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
20 year,
Do not play your BS game on me. You can read all my posts and they stand on their own. Your bias is so evident and your lack of depth of thought is also evident. Zimmerman is currently a free man and their is a young man dead. The proper investigation is underway, and if it was up to you Zimmerman would never be held accountable. Intellectual laziness! Because I will not help you connect the dots! Never, people like you are to dense to reach.
20 year Summit Resident
10:17 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, Wow. The intellectual heft awes me....
Above you said there was no investigation now you say there is one. Which is it? You don't need to help me connect the dots but can you at least help me with what the dots are? Is George Bush somehow involved. He is certainly blamed for everything bad in the world.
I haven't said anything about Zimmerman's guilt or innocence. I want him to have due process and to be presumed innocent until evidence justifies an arrest or closing of the investigation. If arrested and charged then I want him to get the same trial that any other accused should get in our criminal justice system. There's a process, Concerned and it does not involve an arrest and prosecution because of the petition you didn't deny signing.
Concerned
9:58 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Ms Golden do not waste your time responding to 20 year. Hopeless.
20 year Summit Resident
10:33 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, I know....My words are so tricky and magical. Hopeless to rebut.
20 year Summit Resident
10:04 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
John Lee,
You are clearly a race baiting hot head. Perhaps Al Sharpton has a job for you. Your posts throughout this thread have been childish, ill informed, threatening and incendiary. Your earlier posts and your rush to judgment make you look foolish.
Our self- professed "conservative"...Lori Golden won't say it but I will. John Lee, your views are repugnant. They are a case study of what is wrong with liberal progressivism in America. Your ilk latches onto a meme (racism this time) and milks it baby no matter what facts come out. It is too bad you have such hate bottled up inside you. It surely limits what you could do with your life.
Now you change the subject and bob and weave over to Bachman, Santorum and the Tea Party. That's a clear sign that you've lost the debate, buddy.
John Lee
7:42 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
threatening? the only thing that could even be considered a threat is my comment about wearing a hoodie to Sunday Services, to which all manner of replies about gold teeth, knocking over convenience stores and engaging in crime were made. The squiggly thing in many of my posts (?) is called a question mark. Hot heads use exlamation marks (!) or as the Americans call them, exclamation points.
Since you went all personal attack on me, my I suggest we meet for tea some afternoon, and have a nice chat about Matthew 25. I will be wearing a hoodie so the atmosphere might be quite threatening.
Concerned
10:33 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
20 whatever, there was NO investigation and now there is because of the outcry for justice. Why are you bringing up George Bush? I voted for Bush, as I am a conservative, but Bush let me down as he was not a fiscal conservative. Zimmernan was not being investigated until there was an outdo cry for justice.
20 year Summit Resident
10:47 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, You brought up dots and connections out of the blue so I brought up GWB out of the blue...Even?
How about a source for your lack of investigation assertion? You shouldn't state things as facts in writing if you can't back them up. If you can't back up what you're saying then let's be clear that you are expressing your opinion. It then follows that your opinion, without evidence, is that Zimmerman should be prosecuted. No?
Concerned
10:43 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
20 years, you are delusional. Oh and I have been in Summit over 40 years.
20 year Summit Resident
10:50 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, I'm sorry you are probably older than me.
And your point is..............?
Concerned
11:14 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Wisdom comes with age
20 year Summit Resident
11:54 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, At what age will you get some wisdom?
Winston
10:46 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
This post is nothing but I'll informed racial propaganda. The poster spits out misinformation rather than focus on the facts.
Concerned
10:50 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Winston.,
You are correct.
20 year Summit Resident
10:52 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned, Winston is talking about you.....
Winston
11:05 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Concerned I am posting about you and your racist and bigoted nonsense.
Camilo H. Smith
10:54 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Hey everyone,
Thanks again for all of your comments. That enthusiasm is what any debate needs. However, please tone down some of the personal attacks and name-calling. We want people to be free to voice their opinions.
If something someone says gets way under your skin, count to 10 and then reply. EVERYONE—lets keep it civil...this isn't the last we'll hear about this story. Thanks again. Many of your comments are providing much food for thought.
John Lee
7:44 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
I like my suggesting of tea.
Concerned
11:13 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Winston, please point out one racist comment attributable to me?
Concerned
11:20 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
To call me a bigot is so insulting, so please explain yourself.
Sophie
11:18 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Hi Lori -- I think a race related murder did indeed take place in Summit a couple of years ago. A 47 year old Hispanic man was beaten to death by a couple of teenagers. See:
http://www.nj.com/independentpress/index.ssf/2010/07/two_teens_from_summit_charged.html
20 year Summit Resident
11:52 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Sophie, Great point and sourcing.
As John Lee above might say "....It takes seconds to execute" a 47 year old hispanic man by "children of color".
And yet where was the race hustler outrage then?
Concerned
11:25 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Sophie, you are correct and it was a terrible day for Summit.
Concerned
11:36 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Sophie, one other fact is that the Summit Police arrested the killers ASAP and today they are in prison. In Florida that is not the case.
Winston
6:14 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Concerned....
1. Zimmerman hopefully will be arrested and a full investigation completed and put in prison for a long long time. He will make interesting friends in prison?
2. Not every black young man has that chance to stop the profiling. Now ask a young black man to drive through Summit, New Providence, Berkeley Heights and Chatham
3. In closing this young black boy in Florida was profiled and he defended himself because his freedoms were being violated by another citizen without any authority to question him and he got shot and killed by Zimmerman.
Can't you see your own racial profiling?
Concerned
8:08 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Winston
Thank you for summarizing my comments. If your personal lens see those comments a racist, you are, I will be kind, confused. My comments are factual based on the experiences I have had and my black son has had in Summit. I am a white man with a unique perspective due to being blessed by my son in my life. Zimmerman took the life of an unarmed young black man. That is a fact. Yesterday audio forensic specialists concluded that the crys for help were not those of Zimmerman. The investigation is moving forward and I believe Zimmerman will be convicted of murder. I am entitled to my opinion and that is not racist. To turn a blind eye to this murder is wrong and perhaps formed by racism.
John Lee
7:54 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
As Christians around the world mark Holy Week, and bring our burdens to the Cross, is it not ironic that this nation is still bearing the burden of the burning cross?
It is only when Americans stop fearing the darkness and step into the light that they will be able to be One Nation Under God.
Lori Golden
10:31 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Perhaps this is a topic that can only be felt with in feelings rather than facts. As long as there are people out there like some who commented on this post...who possess so little empathy...there can and never will be change. Litigation can't force empathy...tolerance...brotherhood...love...orunity. The fact that this blog is found to be offensive concerns me greatly. I agree with some of the points made by those who called my post disgusting...in fact it's clear both liberals and conservatives will utilize this and anything else they can spin in their favor...its an election year...what do you expect? But this is a bigger and deeper issue and the negativity...dellusion and closed mindedness is the foundation of it. For those or you who think racism isn't a problem and that people who feel it is are victims...I encourage you to ask questions and internalize the answers. Why should a group of people have to consistently work to prove their value and worth...pull themselves up by their bootstraps??
Spoken like like the truly entitled.
Ccultural diversity is the spice of life that makes this country beautiful...and we are our brothers keepers...and they come in all varieties. If you don't like it...LEAVE!
Monk
1:02 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
While everyone is entitled to their feelings, I've never known a problem to have been effectively addressed or solved by feelings. Often enough, feelings will muddle the issues. The best solutions come from honest, rational thought. That's not unfeeling, it's productive.
If the black population will not pull itself out of its cultural morass, then there it will remain. I believe racism and Martin's killing are more symptomatic of this than anything else.
Contrast the black population with the Asian population . Asians value education, personal responsibility, industriousness and many other self-advancing attitudes and behaviors. And the Asian population is respected for this. Asians have managed simultaneously to preserve their cultural uniqueness and participate in the American cultural which still offers opportunities to all who are willing to work to achieve success. There are also bad elements in the Asian population, but these are not glorified.
Lori Golden
10:37 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Pardon the typos...im on a mobile device...
TCG
1:59 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Let me get this straight. A debate about race in Chatham? That's like listening to two blind men discuss which color hoodie looks best. In a town where you can count the number of minorities on one hand, it might be best to stick to those deep and intellectual debates how much to pay teachers and which Italian restaurant is best.
Lori Golden
2:52 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Tom...people like you have to stop invalidating the feelings first...then maybe the problem can be fixed. Your denial of a problem existing is what perpetuates it. Your comparison of Asian to Black might be valid if Asians were ever treated like a fraction of a person...had to fight to vote...receive equal education (which by the way still isn't equal in inner cities)...and in 2012 still have to fight for basic justice. You can't understand what it might be like Tom or 20 Year unless you yourself have been treated like a pariah of society simply based on the color of your skin suit. So I invite you to consider that there is much more depth to this than you realize and yoperhaps be more open minded. I have spoken with incredibly succeasful educated black people who have experienced the same ridiculous prejudices...you've got to get your head out of the sand and stop being part of the problem. Denial is dangerous.
Lori Golden
5:14 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
So...you're saying Martins murder is symptomatic of the problems in the black community? That's a much greater reach than it being symptomatic of serious stereotyping in this country. Hes black and wearing a hoodie so he must be dangerous. And there are seriously educated people up here trying to defend this logic??? I'm sad for my children...I suppose they should not wear hoodies anymore...not even to LAX practice!
John Lee
3:15 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Thanks again for writing this blog. It's excellent and shows how far we have to go.
Lori Golden
5:30 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Another point...its easy to have no "feelings" on the matter when you are totally unaffected by it. You are reading emotion laden comments from people who have personally delt with these issues. One would think a more neutral approach or even better a curiosity to want to understand what you naturally cannot might make you appear far less ignorant. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you start telling them how to solve all their problems.
Lori Golden
5:54 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
TCG...there are many people who have commented who are well qualified to debate the depth of this issue...and the minorities in these towns regardless of how few in number should have issues represented on the patch like everyone else. I have no time nor desire to talk about Italian dining establishments or other shallow nonsense when im raising 4 of the 5 minorities in summit and would like to protect them from our neighbors like those up here who will only ever see
them as thugs. I thought awareness was the key...but people don't seem to care to want to know the truth.
RC
1:11 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/enhanced-video-zimmerman-in-police-station-appears-to-show-injuries/
David
1:48 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
There has been a lot of speculation as to whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense. If he is telling the truth and was attacked by Martin, then his self defense is justified. If he hunted Martin, then it was murder. That can not be decided by you or I. Neither of us were there in the moment. We do not know what words were exchanged, if there were any threatening gestures, or whether or not Martin really strike Zimmerman. There are forensic investigators working the case. They are looking at where blood and shell casings are found, where bullets impact, and where Martin went down. This information, that you nor I have, may or may not lead to Zimmerman's prosecution. If the prosecutor believes that this was not a case of self defense, then he will go to trial. Can you sir, prove to me, without any doubt whatsoever, that the shooting was not in any way self defense? In the United States of America, you are innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, we must all presume Zimmerman to be innocent unless it is demonstrated otherwise by a jury of his peers.
John Lee
3:14 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
in the 911 calls Zimmerman admitted to following Martin, which sounds very close to the concept of hunting him mentioned in your comment. Not sure what a "threatening gesture" might be - given that Florida is the place in question, a middle finger jesture is probably considered threatening if done by a person of colour
Concerned
3:16 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
You are absolutely correct. The officer on the scene has stated that he felt that Zimmerman should of been charged and arrested. The prosecutors felt the evidence was weak. That means they wanted an air tight case so their win record of convictions would not be hurt. Their track record was more important than justice. So now the Feds are involved and an investigation is underway. He is innocent until proven guilty. I only wish he had given the unarmed young man that chance.
John Lee
3:20 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Concerned, since I have been called "hot headed" and my comments "filled with hate" by two others, can I trouble you to point out where I might have done that. Cheers!
Alice Jameson
3:28 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
John Lee:
“All things come to he who waits but these days most things suck.”
TCG
1:57 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Lori,
I think you missed the attempt at irony and humor. But if your hope is that by writing a column about a shooting in Florida, you will somehow changed the entrenched attitudes of the Archie Bunker element of the population in Chatham, you simply have no idea what you are up against. Those who view your children as thugs based only on the color of their skin or what they wear have no interest in the truth. This is, after all, the town where the police looked the other way when several students flagrantly broke the law by getting smashed a school event. If you want these folks in the burbs to put down the martini and walk away from the flat screen long enough to care about the issue of race, I'm afraid a column on the Patch won't do it. More likely, you'll have to wait until one of their own children is shot dead by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman while the police look the other way. Come to think of it, in this town it might take a day or two for many of the parents to even noitce the kid hadn't come home.
Lori Golden
5:42 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Sorry TCG....my sense of humor on the whole thing disappeared around the 30th comment...lol. I know EXACTLY what I am up against. I grew up in Summit...went to high school here...witnessed first hand accounts of total absurdity in regards to race or anyone who wasn't per se "priviliged." I know this blog isn't going to make much impact...but it's a start and a voice. I may never make any change, but I'm standing up and speaking up, which is more than I can say for most. "Put down the martini and walk away from the flat screen" LOVE IT...yes, you get it ;)
Michele
2:46 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
My only comment is to John Lee. Many of your comments lead me to believe that YOU yes YOU are just like George Zimmerman.
John Lee
2:54 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
please explain yourself; Zimmerman sees a stranger, calls police to tell them he's hunting that person down, then kills him; I see a stranger I usually say hello or comment about the weather. I don't see the similarity.
Michele
3:00 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I do not need to explain a thing but please go back and read some of your comments. They are filled with hate, as much hate as you believe zimmerman carries around.
John Lee
3:08 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
nope, I don't see them, I just see a lot of questions about the situation and pointing out the fact the racism is alive and well in the US; plus lots of personal attacks including some with racial inferences (like gold teeth); unless you view wearing a hoodie as hate because I know that scares white folks for some reason
Concerned
3:26 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
John Lee, I was commenting to David above. I did see the post whereby you were called full of hate. The only emotion of hate anyone with compassion has is for the heinous act of murder on an unarmed youth. To compare your post to the action of Zimmerman's murder of the young man is rhetoric that is unfounded and delusional.
John Lee
3:53 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
you and Lori seem to be the voices of reason here so I figured I'd ask, just in case there was some cultural reference I made of which I was not aware; never in a million years would I have thought that Americans were so afraid of hoodies! (the oldest one I have is from the 1972 Olympics in Muchen);
John Lee
10:11 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Given that the rant is full of personal attacks I would like to see the editors at Patch ban this "Michele" person.
20 year Summit Resident
10:51 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
John Lee invokes the last refuge of a liberal that has lost the debate. Ban the party that disagrees with him.
The truth hurts, John. Do you have any comment on the murder of the hispanic man by "children of color" or is your outrage racially selective? The "children of color" can't even claim they killed him in self-defense.
Michele characterizes you quite accurately.
Concerned
9:54 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Michele,
To compare me to Zimmerman is an ignorant rant. My rage is at a prosecutor who refused to investigate and charge Zimmerman s that judicial due process could move forward. It now appears it is so we can get to the bottom of what occurred. You better tone down you rhetoric, as your hate is very apparent.
Michele
10:58 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Concerned: My comment was not directed at you but to Mr. Lee. To me it is HIS rhetoric that needs to be toned down if for no other reason then for his health. He seems on the verge of a breakdown or a stroke. I feel concerned for him.
Winston
10:05 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
People....people......why are you letting facts, rational behavior, fairness and the law get in the way of racists seeking to perpetuate the myth that innocent blacks are being hunted down by whites on a daily basis. Gee...how could they possibly let the facts that a Latino shot a black thug in self defense....it ruins the Jesse Jerkson and Al Sharpie Sarptons business of race baiting and shaking down whitey!
Concerned
10:11 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Winston, let's make it simple for you. A person named Zimerman shot and killed a young man who by the way was unarmed. The issue is that the prosecutor did to fully investigate the killing even though the policeman on the scene recommended that further investigation should be done and that he felt Zimmerman 's story did not holdvogether based on evidence gathered at the scene. Now I left out who was of what race so we can focus on the fact that a life was taken and race is not important. Now thankfully a full investigation is being done and due process will occur. Everyone involved deserves that under our constitution.
Monk
10:33 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Lori, I think you made my point that feelings often muddle issues extraordinarily well.
Until the black population as a whole rejects the separatist, self-defeating ghetto/gangsta culture promoted by its "leaders" and "celebrities", every promising black person can expect to have to swim upstream. That form of self-inflicted racial discrimination is the real problem. No one is enslaving or holding back blacks more so than blacks.
20 year Summit Resident
11:58 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Lori,
I understand why you cannot directly respond to my comments to defend your blog post. You have neither the facts or the skill to defend the indefensible statements and points you make. Unbelievably many of your comments are even worse ("...protect them from our neighbors like those up here who will only ever see
them as thugs"). That's a pretty broad stereotype!
And even though you pat yourself on the back throughout the comments for what an enlightening force you are for racial conversation and understanding you have done nothing of the sort. You are kidding yourself.
Writing a poorly researched, ill informed piece based on your feelings does nothing to advance the discussion of race. In fact it has been harmful as your media platform establishes a welcome embrace for people like John Lee and Concerned and SP who look at this tragedy as some sort of opportunity to make racial hay. As time has gone on in the last week Lori Golden you and the people you gave high 5s to in the comments have been systematically exposed as gullible fools that believed the original racist liberal media meme. Perhaps even proved to be racist yourself as you assumed the worst about George Zimmerman.
More to follow in next comment....
20 year Summit Resident
12:01 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Continued from prior comment....
You Lori Golden, the mother of a black child who's ancestors were well aware of the lynchings of blacks, were perfectly happy to stir those same emotions in people that wanted to lynch Zimmerman...something you continue to think and do now today even though evidence piles up that refutes every one of your "feelings."
We now know that ABC and NBC both selectively edited video and audio tape (in other words lied) to put Zimmerman in the worst light possible. Bought hook line and sinker by you and your ilk in this thread. These lies were passed on by others in the liberal media including the New York Times who apparently had not caught up to the fact that NBC's own internal investigation concluded that they had made an error and apologized. Much like you, Lori Golden except you cannot admit that you were wrong, you rushed to judgment and wrote something too quickly before the facts had been widely distributed and understood in full context.
More to follow in next comment....
20 year Summit Resident
12:06 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Continued from prior comment...
I'd also like to help you with your ignorance of American history. The Irish and Chinese were treated like garbage when they first came to America. While they were not slaves they still had to work and bootstrap and fight for recognition as Americans in the post Civil War era. Somehow the Irish and the Chinese have done well enough that they don't need Sharptons and Jacksons to represent their nationality or race. It is tiresome to hear from people like you that racism is holding people back. With the election of President Obama that dog hunts no more.
You kid yourself that you have added anything to the discussion. In fact you and your intolerant ilk that write inflammatory stories and that sign despicable petitions to prosecute based on your "feelings" of racial victimization are the real problem in America today.
Michele
11:15 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
20 year summit resident: You hit the nail on the head. When the Irish first came here, they were loathed as were the chinese. It was said Irish children were born to die. In the major cities signs were hung in the windows of businesses "Irish Catholic Need Not Apply". Anyone who could get a job worked 6.5 days a week, 16 hours minimum a day. Prejudice against the Irish was so overwhelming that a newspaper in Chicago wrote an editorial proclaiming "if we got rid of all the Irish crime would disappear". They were dirt poor but like all the other immigrants that have come here they pulled themselves up and with ZERO help from the government.
Winston
8:17 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Oh....myyyyy......
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/04/03/win-newsbusters-nbc-apologizes-shoddy-editing-zimmerman-call
Camilo H. Smith
11:19 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Hi,
While it's great to see 145 comments in this stream, people have been pushing it with the personal attacks. Please keep the discussion to the general topic and avoid any attacks on commenters. We want this to be a free and open commenting space. Let's respect each other, please.
20 year Summit Resident
1:12 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Shelby Steele: The Exploitation of Trayvon Martin
The absurdity of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton is that they want to make a movement out of an anomaly. Black teenagers today are afraid of other black teenagers, not whites.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323691134926300.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
Monk
2:05 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Meanwhile, "[c]elebrating his victory in the Democratic primary on Tuesday night, [Marion] Barry spoke up about the prominence of businesses owned by Asians in the District.
We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said in remarks first reported by WRC-TV. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”
And in other news:
"The White House’s spokesman said Thursday that the president believes that a golf club in Augusta, Ga., 551 miles from the White House, should change its membership rules and admit women as members.
"... Obama is trying to bolster support with feminist groups, partly because he’s trying to maximize favorable turnout among women in the November election."
I guess once a community agitator, always a community agitator. So much for the rights of individuals and private organizations and churches and ....
Michele
2:23 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Tom: I can only hope that most women are not so stupid that they fall for it.
20 year Summit Resident
3:45 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Concerned, I was already to respond to your post and then "poof" it vanished. Please repost without the ad hominem name calling and I'm sure it will stay posted.
Word of advice too...read the article in my link because your deleted comment made it clear you hadn't. I wouldn't want you to be embarrassed again.
Concerned
6:07 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
I am only embarrassed by some of the post you all have made. I am done. Happy Easter to all.