Citizens Outraged at Glover-Gialanella Team's Call for Massive Property Tax Increase

Republicans respond to press release put out last week by the Democratic party.

The following information was provided by the Scotch Plains Republicans.

Scotch Plains Mayor Mary DePaola and Councilman Ed Saridaki spoke today on the fallout from a recent call from Scotch Plains Democrats to increase property taxes to pay for sewer usage. 

In a press release earlier this week, Democrats Kevin Glover and Colleen Gialanella, candidates for Mayor and Council respectively, went on record demanding that the cost for sewer usage be placed back in the general budget “where it belongs” without informing residents what the implications would be for their property taxes.

“Our residents are pretty smart and they are not going to be fooled by this kind of campaign season nonsense.  My phone has been ringing off the hook with calls from incensed taxpayers," said Mayor DePaola.  "The simple fact is that eliminating the Scotch Plains Sewer Utility would result in an immediate $2.9 million property tax increase for our residents and businesses."  

DePaola continued, "With state imposed property tax caps to consider, not only would the Glover-Gialanella plan spike our taxes, it would also necessitate across the board cuts to essential personnel and services in our police, fire, and public works departments.”  

The current sewer budget for Scotch Plains is $2,900,359.  This amount pays for sewage treatment costs, as well as the salaries of those who handle the administrative duties of the Authority and the physical maintenance of the sewer system.  The Glover-Gialanella Plan would immediately transfer these costs back to taxpayers instead of all the users of the sewer system.

"What the Glover-Gialanella team proposes is not only a property tax nightmare, it is inherently unfair," said Councilman Saridaki.  "Under their plan, sewer fees would no longer be based on water usage and taxpayers would be forced to pay for the sewer usage of property tax exempt properties across Scotch Plains."

The current Scotch Plains Sewer Utility was established in 2010 by the Scotch Plains Township Council.  Prior to its establishment, the cost of sewer usage contributed $358 a year to the average property taxpayer's bill.  Since creation of the Sewer Utility, the average property owner pays approximately $250 per year for sewer use.

"This is just another example – like taking taxpayer-paid health benefits – of the Glover-Gialanella Team's on-going effort to cost taxpayers more than they should have to pay," concluded DePaola.

David Watts October 06, 2012 at 03:53 AM
Holden - I think you hit a nerve with Amy. Check out her first comment near the top. She actually agreed with DePaola's lie about taxes going up $3M. LOL
Liza Radley October 06, 2012 at 04:10 AM
Holden's right. This headline is bogus. And if we're taking a vote, I think she knowingly lied.
Following from Henry St October 06, 2012 at 04:52 AM
+1 for Holden.
One who knows October 06, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Saridaki wrote those comments
Amy G October 06, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Well, well, well, Good morning Holden, et. al. (Holden). You were a busy guy into the wee hours. So after hearing nothing from anyone all day, all of a sudden a slew of posts come in starting 4 minutes after your final one (11:19 pm, 11:37 pm, 11:53 pm, 12:10 am, and 12:52 am) I feel like I'm watching Sybil or the Three Faces of Eve! Yeah, that's the ticket....."The Many Faces of Holden" You're a bright guy Holden, but you've been found out. Oh, and BTW, after obliging you with a detailed answer and explanation of YOUR question, you refuse to answer MINE. And I don't think you or your alter egos can for that matter. Keep up the good work Holden(s) and have a pleasant weekend.
Barney Oldfield October 06, 2012 at 01:44 PM
Just my two cents but I don't think patch should be involved in publishing press releases put out by political parties. How about the idea of actually publishing news? Both parties are lying on this issue. The Dems know that the sewer authority was not a "gimmick". They know they cannot put the sewer fee back into the budget without layoffs. The GOP knows that Dems never called for a "massive tax increase". It would have been sufficient for them to call out the Dems as has been done here and ask how they would keep the budget under cap without layoffs. They went too far. This is why people hate politics and also why we are stuck with the quality of candidates we have on both sides.
Michael Lewis October 06, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Do I ever agree! The problem is, if not for this it would be an endless series of comments on "who won the Presidential / Senate debate" or (worse) non-scientific reader polls. Once again, perhaps the better of bad choices.
Holden MaGroin October 06, 2012 at 04:38 PM
I'm Holden MaGroin and this is for Amy. You flatter me and now my heart is aflutter. No, I don't sign in on dummy e-mails as I've accused others of recently doing. But again, nice try. If I choose to comment on something while not using Holden, I always just use the letter "A". This can be seen in many articles In the Patch. Marks playbook #7, have others attack those that point out the hypocrisy. But once again nice try. I think we're done with this as now anyone drawn to the inflammatory headline can read and decide if depaola doesn't understand how the 2% cap works, or just decides to purposefully lie.
Nicole Bitette (Editor) October 06, 2012 at 07:00 PM
Hi Holden, We can reach out to all candidates and do a story on this since it is something SP residents are concerned about. As for saying these statements to Mr. Marks, DePaola and other republicans should be working with Marks on these press releases and be aware that they are commenting in order to send one of these out to the press.
Builda Wall October 07, 2012 at 01:10 AM
Fa fa fa fa fa
Amy G October 07, 2012 at 01:58 AM
Methinks thou doth protest too much. At this point Holden(s), believing you would require "a willing suspension of disbelief", to coin a phrase. What happened with your posts last night is crystal clear. Continue to post Holden(s), but because you no longer can be trusted remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH_YbBHVF4g&feature=related
Lance October 07, 2012 at 02:07 AM
Hey lady you think I'm made up? Think all you want. I started commenting when Saridaki wrote his insults. Look it up. Fool yourself all you want. You got a beef with Holden take it up with him. Leave me the hell out of it. My vote will count and that's where it will matter.
Amy G October 07, 2012 at 03:03 AM
Thankfully, Holden(s) collectively will only be able to vote once. In your head, in your head................. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-x6OdPvwk
Jenni October 07, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Amy - thank you for the link, I love that song :) But, do no accuse me of being someone's alter ego; I have been commenting on all kinds of articles on the Patch for a while. YOU just joined on 10/1 and you have ONLY been commenting on political/election time articles. It obvious you are trying to defend your friends but like I said were not ALL zombies and can see what is going on. And both parties have released negative press releases with a lot of stretched truths in them.
Amy G October 07, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Who's next? Liza? Following from Henry Street? David Watts? Beyond obvious now Holden(s). LOL! You keep digging that hole though......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7EAdPUqvQ
Michael Lewis October 07, 2012 at 01:41 PM
Actually, me. The fact that I use my own name here is a historical accident - I do other things on Patch. I have been at this long enough to know - if only by writing style (been told my own is unique so it is difficult to disguise anyway) - that Holden identifies himself exactly as he says (with the occasional pig latin and other letters thrown in when he runs afoul of the editors here) as is everyone else...I responded to a very valid point made by Jenni re a reallocation of state aid to public schools and their impact on property taxes that had not been raised by Holden or anyone else (because she is right...not that it will get very far!). Truth be told, (opinion here) I do not think Holden would go through the rigamarole of setting up separate IDs simply to maintain a conversation with himself. Oddly, from what I read you agree more than not (including the fact that Glover is a less-than-ideal challenger...for the record, I think the wrong Democratic Councilperson is running for Mayor, but that is just me!). You come to different conclusions (I lean towards Holden's - I have my own opinions about my big-tent brethren in SP). And Holden is also right that - with all the serious issues both Fanwood and SP - there should actually BE an intelligent discussion about them without having to sort through a lot of "hyperbole" - at this level it is unnecessary and distracting. Your point about cutting is valid too. I AM Michael Lewis, and I approved this message.
Michael Lewis October 07, 2012 at 02:03 PM
Oh, and by the way (because I am on a roll here) it is exactly this sort of political nonsense that constitutes my primary argument against consolidation of Scotch Plains and Fanwood - why in heaven's name would I want any part of this? (That is a purely rhetorical question...)
Amy G October 07, 2012 at 02:17 PM
Michael, you seem to be a man of reason. Before joining in the conversations on the Patch, I have been a fairly regular reader. Holden has made some intelligent observations over time, albeit he can be a bit sophomoric I think you would agree. What I cannot abide is a fraud. If you go back through the 40 some odd posts in this thread, it does not take a trained detective to discern what Holden has done with his multiple "personalities". While I am not a trained psychologist, it probably has less to do with carrying on a conversation with himself, but rather just an insecure guy looking for validation(s) of his point of view. BTW, I agree that the local Democrats chose the wrong Councilman to run for mayor. Mr. Marcus, like Jeff Stauss before him, appear to be in this for the right reasons.
Holden MaGroin October 07, 2012 at 10:55 PM
I'm Holden MaGroin and it's been a busy weekend. First I'd like to thank the "voices in my head" like Mr Lewis, Jenni and Lance for speaking up. I also have a request, if you don't mind. If you are comfortable with your friends knowing your screen names, please ask as many of your scotch plains friends this little exchange. Show them how, when faced with facts or simple questions, Marty marks and his minions choose to not answer, say it was something else like hyperbole, or accuse those who ask the questions as just making up fake names. Mr Lewis answered Amy quite nicely and for that I thank him. But it will be much more powerful to actually show, once again, how Marty and his gang operates. I'm once again flattered that Marty has given you the assignment of following me. I'm not on Twitter so this is pretty exciting. I'm getting the Tolstoy message so I will have to add more in the next panel.
Holden MaGroin October 07, 2012 at 11:05 PM
I'm Holden MaGroin and this is for Mr Lewis and bgporter. Amy called herself a long time Patch reader but seems to be selective in reading my posts. She only seems interested in my most recent ones. Because you both seem to have good search skills, can you help me find the articles where I give it to glover? I know I referred to him as Grover and thought I also used the phrase, the back end of a mule, but that combination isn't yielding results. Unfortunately my comment history is only for my current account. Oldenhay agroinmay and Holden magroin 2010 doesn't get me the comments summary so I have to search by article. I'm annoyed that I have to prove my non-partisanship in questioning our leaders, but alas I won't allow marks and his machine to paint me as a dem operative. Any help will be appreciated. Next panel for Amy.
Holden MaGroin October 07, 2012 at 11:19 PM
I'm Holden MaGroin and this is for my Marty marks ordered follower Amy. I would ask that you go to the article that this press release is in response to and read my comments. Another "voice in my head" asked my opinion and I gave it. My response was that the council didn't really have much choice and then I went on as to why I think our representative from scotch plains, Joan papen, must have been enjoying too many of those poop authority parties on our dime and was asleep, instead of warning our council or at least representing our town. That same papen who along with Marty marks runs the repub party in town. If you see my comments in this thread, my beef is with the lying headline and trying to figure out if appointed mayor depaola doesn't understand cap law or is lying. By the way, I called 411 to get her phone number to also express my outrage.........it's unlisted. I guess only her friends can call to express that outrage.
Amy G October 07, 2012 at 11:43 PM
Wow. 6:55, 7:05, and then again at 7:19. Rambling, bordering on incoherent, yet all Holden's. Making progress. Take a breath, grab a glass of wine and chill. The meltdown is unfortunate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQJ8WrKnLUs&feature=fvwp&NR=1
haljalikea kick October 08, 2012 at 12:31 AM
Come on!!! I agree with Mr Lewis 100%, this is just another reason why Fanwood needs to avoid total consolidation with SP!!! Our town doesn't need to lower itself into the gutter like this during election time, these press releases and polls are getting old. And just a side note, I have been on the patch for years and Holden & Mr Lewis both frequently comment & make a lot of valid points.
Holden MaGroin October 08, 2012 at 12:55 AM
I'm Holden MaGroin and this is for my follower Amy. It's too bad that Marty Marks gave you this assignment as I post often. It would have been easier if you volunteered to bring the cupcakes to the repub committee meetings. But that's ok, people can read and make up their own minds. I have seen how Marty Marks treats politics and holding onto power as a bloodsport. But don't worry, I don't expect your comments to cost you $10,000 like it did when Marks had to settle his defamation lawsuit from a recent campaign. Also, as I ramble, we still don't know if depaola understands the cap or is purposefully lying, but in your first comment (even before I got on) you repeat the lie. Do you too not understand, was purposefully lying, or just doing what Marty and the committee told you to do? See, trying to discredit would work if it was just my opinions. But unfortunately, I still have more links that show a long history of how papen, coranato, mctincock and marks govern. Running roughshod over citizens, keeping taxpayer over collections of fees, eating steaks and drinking wine on our $ and with depaola not caring where cell towers go until there is citizen backlash. Bo calls glover going to talk with those affected by the water main break as"headline seeking". I call depaola, our sitting mayor, not going as reflective of not really caring and being out of touch. In closing, can you provide her unlisted # so I too can express outrage
Holden MaGroin October 08, 2012 at 01:04 AM
I'm Holden MaGroin and this is for kick. I'm sorry and frankly a little embarrassed on my frequent responses to Bret harte, Amy g, Edward saridaki and Bo. Mamma MaGroin taught me to stand up to the bullies and these "frequent patch readers who all of a sudden started commenting" are frankly Marty marks led bullies. I know you comment a lot and do not want to bore you and others with replies to the commenters who will be gone come November 7th. But please look for more links to come. They will be enlightening.
Brian Lakewood October 08, 2012 at 03:48 AM
Holden - Can you please become the editor of the patch. You clearly are the only one who knows what's going on. Nicole - seriously!?!?
Michael Lewis October 08, 2012 at 03:52 AM
@Holden - this is the best I can come up with for the moment. I am sure you commented on Mr. Glover in the more-distant past...just cannot find it (I find searching Patch to be maddening too - my other activities here involve a lot of cut-and-paste of things I have already done). http://scotchplains.patch.com/articles/letter-to-the-editor-sp-council-should-have-tabled-budget-vote @Amy G: Again, no horse here (beyond my personal annoyance with the changes I see and those I feel to be responsible), and I get nothing from commenting on Holden good, bad, or indifferent. Certainly do not need personal vindication at this stage of my life either. I have found him to be - if not non-partisan - then at least equal-opportunity...we will probably disagree on this point (for that matter, Holden might disagree as well!). Unfortunately, my big-tent brethren have been running the show in SP for most of the period I have lived here as an adult, and for that matter, when I was here in junior high and high school (there used to be a tree nursery on the corner of Westfield Ave and Westfield Rd that now has four houses with no backyards - even then!). One can only look to those in charge and ask who has had more opportunities - on the margin - to mess things up over time. And while we can agree that Holden's humor "varies" in its quality, I would refer you to Ecclesiastes 8:15 - a verse for which it is actually worth learning how to spell "Ecclesiastes".
Lance October 08, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Glad to see we the people are policing this site from the real phonies. Keep it up Holden. Frequent readers know the truth.
Amy G October 09, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Michael, eat, drink and be merry. Love it! Amazing sometimes that the lines we love to quote had their origins in the bible. While bible quotes are great, I'm a big fan of Bill Shakespeare. "To thine own self be true", is one of my faves and one at which Holden(s) should take a serious gander.
Tommy Taxpayer October 09, 2012 at 05:26 PM
Holden, Here is the Mayors phone number 908-322-6700 ext 314 http://www.scotchplainsnj.com/gov_phone.html


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